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Hold the phone! The Labour government can suddenly find the capacity to lock up rioters and yet hasn't the room to lock up shoplifters and burglars.

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Oh, here we go! I await someone to respond: "In that case, Burka's should be banned!" ๐Ÿคฆโ€โ™‚๏ธ

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in reply to dick_turpin

does something make you think there's a bunch of racists out there? I'm not aware that balaclavas are part of any religion.


There really are some dumb fucks on Social Media. The worst ones are those who think they're intelligent!

"๐˜๐˜ง ๐˜บ๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ ๐˜ข๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ๐˜ด๐˜ฑ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ๐˜ด๐˜ช๐˜ฃ๐˜ญ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ง๐˜ฐ๐˜ณ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜ด๐˜ฆ ๐˜ฅ๐˜ช๐˜ด๐˜จ๐˜ถ๐˜ด๐˜ต๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜จ ๐˜ข๐˜ค๐˜ต๐˜ด, ๐˜บ๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ ๐˜ด๐˜ฉ๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ๐˜ญ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ฃ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ญ๐˜ฐ๐˜ค๐˜ฌ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ถ๐˜ฑ. "

Aren't all our prisons full? Isn't that why Starmer plans to release people early? Where are you going to house all these rioters? Oh, I know, The Bibby Stockholm is available now, isn't it? ๐Ÿคฆโ€โ™‚๏ธ

in reply to Steve

Anyone who does not come via our Customs system is illegal, period. There is no argument or justification anyone can put to me to change my belief in that regard.

Nobody said you said anything? I was hoping you could explain the distinction to me.

I would argue that Starmer's current actions are borderline fascist. He's not ordered water cannons onto the streets. He's not offered some form of arbitration bringing 'community leaders' together; he just appears to have brought out the cosh. Which also seems to be weilded towards only one side of the argument.

in reply to dick_turpin

Why should I explain something I never proposed? The twitterati seem to spout random opinions.

What are the sides in this argument? People who are attacking the police, torching cars, trying to burn down hotels and other violent acts need to be stopped and deterred. They don't seem interested in arbitration when they turn up with beer and masks.

Do we have water cannons? Johnson bought some that were never used.

I fear someone will be killed. That would be tragic.



This is Labour's classic incompetence. They cancel things like the Bibby Stockholm barge and the Rwanda plan without offering the general public an alternative solution.

Now, there will be those who will say, "That's got nothing to do with it!" But it has everything to do with it. Southport was simply the lancing of the boil that has been building for a good few years now. I'm also uneasy about simply labelling this unrest as "far right." There's massive unhappiness on all sides. The government needs to look at treating the symptoms and not the easiest route of swiftly cutting an arm or leg off, hoping that stops the patient from complaining.

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in reply to dick_turpin

Ah come on, that's crap - I mean sure labour need to figure out a sane plan for that lot; but these riots are the combination of a) Taking advantage of a tragedy on purpose b) Drunks in hot weather c) and the strange coincidence of it being the same week the EDL leader left the country to avoid a court hearin.
in reply to penguin42

Most civil unrest is started by incidents that bear little relation to the main thrust. The problem these days is that one has to be very careful of what words are used, mainly because people's emotions are on a hair trigger.

I do not disagree with some of what you said; however, I do think a larger portion of the UK than folk are willing to admit are at the end of the road with illegals, and they are illegal if they don't come through customs. People feel marginalised and frankly shat on. I get it when young folk have no job or a chance of getting a council house, let alone a mortgage, and they see videos on ๐• of people in hotels getting three square meals and all the support they need.

I totally agree. This is mindless thuggery, and yes, there may well be elements of right-wing influence, but to believe that's all it is is naive or, at the very least, too simple an answer. I honestly believe the problems run deeper than just simple racism.

in reply to dick_turpin

I don't disagree with there are people feeling alienated - but purposely feeding on that with a nasty tragedy is terrible.
No one has a clue what to do with the illegal immigration though - and it's not just UK, most of the media don't point to the same conversations happening all around Europe.
in reply to penguin42

Mistakes have been made on illegal immigration. If you are seeking asylum you don't dump your ID in the channel and come into the UK undocumented.

And, as a new government, you don't just give an amnesty to 90,000 illegal migrants without checking it's safe to do so. I know there must be some hiding in the countryside who dodged Border Force and entered unchallenged.

There is so much going wrong in our country now. A neighbour witnessed Shoplifters from London arriving by train, at our station, emptying supermarket shelves unchallenged and hopping on a train back to London. When train station staff were informed of it they said "Yeah, they've got it down to a fine art" and the police are totally disinterested.

in reply to Neil Darlow :gotosocial: :silverblue: :xmpp:

@neil To be clear; I'm not saying everything is good - I agree there's a lot of stuff screwed up; just no point justifying these riots from that.
in reply to penguin42

The riots can't be justified. They're executed by organised actors I believe. There are grievances which have been exploited by the rioters I agree. But as Pete said, the underlying grievances need addressing and the government listening to the people would be a good start.
in reply to penguin42

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That's what I've been moaning about for months. Our news, especially the BBC, is so biased and geared to only allowing left-wing stories that the British public is unaware European countries have walls of barbed wire and are shipping their illegals to Morroco and Algeria. I suspect an illegal would rather be shipped to Rwanda than Algeria! And yet, the woke brigade managed to successfully sabotage the program through disinformation and shaming.
in reply to penguin42

Wrong on a few fronts there too:

The EDL hasn't been a thing in over 10 years and Tommy Robinson has nothing to do with whatever might be left of it.

The police detained him for the allowed 6 hours permitted by the anti-terror legislation they arrested him under. He was released without charge unconditionally and he went on holiday with his family as he had arranged prior. He didn't leave by secret means and flew out of the country like anyone else.

There is no arrest warrant awaiting him for not attending a fictitious court hearing. This is all a fabrication of the lefty media.

in reply to Neil Darlow :gotosocial: :silverblue: :xmpp:

@neil Hmm; so I don't know all of the details of that - but the BBC is listing a specific contempt of court case at the High Court last Monday that he was supposed to attend; bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjerxdโ€ฆ
in reply to penguin42

Don't know about what the BBC are reporting, they're not a trustworthy news outlet. The description of that court case seems a bit flimsy "Repeating something he said about a Syrian which he'd been told not to"?
in reply to Neil Darlow :gotosocial: :silverblue: :xmpp:

I heard it was a video he was not allowed to show, which he duly showed yet again (I presume on ๐•?) Of course, the key question should be, is this video (which I have not seen) fictitious, or is it that the video would stir up trouble? If it's the latter, I wonder if that's "suppression of freedom of speech"? ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ

I have no time for Tommy Robinson, but it's a stretch to say he's behind these riots, which I've seen promoted on ๐• throughout today.

in reply to Neil Darlow :gotosocial: :silverblue: :xmpp:

@neil While I don't trust the Beeb that much, I don't think they're just going to make up the court case - I'm not sure how big a deal the case is; but surely it fits with this stuff - lieing to stoke up trouble by claiming everything is due to illegal immigrants (of which some is, some isn't - but don't lie about it!)
in reply to penguin42

I think that's the key right there. There are mistakes on both sides, but the biggest mistake is not accepting that there are sides and differences. Where we go wrong is believing we are all homogenous, but we're not. We can all rub along nicely so long as there's an equilibrium. Sadly, at the moment, there's not, and that's why everyone is up in arms.
in reply to penguin42

My biggest concern about this "court case" is the warrant being issued but the judge saying not to act on it until October so that Robinson my choose to attend voluntarily. Something's off there.

I don't believe that Tommy Robinson is behind these riots. He's spent a lot of time recently reporting inequalities in the law and urging those attending his rallies to behave lawfully and respectfully. It's also worth noting that all demographics of society have been present at those rallies.




And so the "Nows our chance to get lots of money" begins.

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If you dislike something that much, do us all a favour and fuck off, leave, cancel, close, delete, unsubscribe, don't keep hanging around bitching about it. You're simply proving that, in fact, you can't be without it. ๐Ÿคฆโ€โ™‚๏ธ


This cartoon is 'spot on' regarding the truth about these pension raids proposed by Racheal Reeve.
#politics #Labour


Remember children. You voted this lot in.

Winter fuel payments will now be means tested.

Never mind whose fault it is. Taking money from vulnerable pensioners can't be right?
#Labour
bbc.co.uk/news/live/c3g9yy73l7โ€ฆ

in reply to dick_turpin

The 'review of new hospital program' seems even wrose; of course they'll point out it's not the 'vulnerable' pensioners....
in reply to dick_turpin

So a couple of people have said to me, "They've got plenty of money!" (i.e. pensioners) Even the wife said, "Have you seen all the pensioners in Marks & Spencer?"

My response is the same as Jeremy Clarkson's. "So, in other words, you work hard all your life and put some money aside so that your retirement, where you have no other income other than your pension, is slightly more comfortable and along comes a group of people who notice you have a couple of quid and take it off you to give to some workshy layabout. And they call that socialism."

I'm not angry because I already knew this was the kind of thing Labour does and will always do. The Labour Party may well change its outward appearance, but at its core, the only idea they have is to take from one to give to another. Labour's idea of 'growth' is to increase the size of public employees so that:
A. There are more union members.
B. Employment and wage increases are guaranteed.

#RantOver



That's his days numbered as Director of the FBI.
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There's going to be lots of unhappy residents up and down the country.
I can see it now: "Why must they come here? This is not what I voted Labour for! Getting free houses........" ๐Ÿคฃ

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Not sure how you're going to get the money back? Purchases are covered under legal transactions. If only these things were as simple as Labour makes out.
#politics #Labour #money
https://x.com/RachelReevesMP/status/1815672962244018326


The solution to this Rental problem is to make it illegal to offer properties for rent that are mortgaged, and only accommodation wholly owned by the landlord can be rented or leased.

This has two effects
1. The landlord is forced to offer reasonable rents because around 90% of the figure will be total profit.

2. Fewer homes will be purchased because tenants will no longer pay the landlord's mortgage, thus increasing the stock of available houses for purchase. In the long term, this will bring house prices down as more choices will be available.
#Renting #Landords #Housing #ukgovernment

'๐—œ ๐—ฒ๐—ฎ๐—ฟ๐—ป ยฃ๐Ÿฑ๐Ÿฌ,๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ ๐—ฎ๐—ป๐—ฑ ๐—ฐ๐—ฎ๐—ป'๐˜ ๐—ฎ๐—ณ๐—ณ๐—ผ๐—ฟ๐—ฑ ๐˜๐—ผ ๐—ฏ๐˜‚๐˜† ๐—ฎ ๐—ต๐—ผ๐˜‚๐˜€๐—ฒ'
bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c7209lโ€ฆ




Remember, children, you voted this man in. Judging by his behaviour over the last few days I think you might regret it.

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#politics #anarchy



BBC Weather this morning.

"There is a severe weather warning in place until Saturday"

That'll be just for today, then, won't it? ๐Ÿคฆโ€โ™‚๏ธ



๐—ฆ๐—ต๐—ฎ๐—ฏ๐—ฎ๐—ป๐—ฎ: "What are we going to do? The prisons are bursting with criminals!"
๐—ฆ๐˜๐—ฎ๐—ฟ๐—บ๐—ฒ๐—ฟ: "We need a quick fix that makes it look like we are 'doing something'
๐—ฆ๐—ต๐—ฎ๐—ฏ๐—ฎ๐—ป๐—ฎ: "Tax the rich?"
๐—ฆ๐˜๐—ฎ๐—ฟ๐—บ๐—ฒ๐—ฟ: "Not yet, we're saving that for when we're really in the shit."
๐—ฆ๐—ต๐—ฎ๐—ฏ๐—ฎ๐—ป๐—ฎ: "Build some prisons? We've got plenty of workers flocking across the English channel now."
๐—ฆ๐˜๐—ฎ๐—ฟ๐—บ๐—ฒ๐—ฟ: "I've got a better idea. Release prisoners early because they can't be that bad, can they? Plus, we can tell everyone how clever we are in reducing overcrowding within the first few days of taking over."
#politics #Labour
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in reply to Steve

That's what opposition is, you silly boy, find fault. You've had your turn for the last fourteen years. Now, it's your time to defend the indefensible. ๐Ÿคฃ
in reply to dick_turpin

Hey, I'm interested to see how they can be better. Can't be much worse for sure. Of course you are a Tory, but I'm not a dedicated Labour guy. I just want what's best for the country, not pointless sniping (e.g. criticising what they wear) :)


If this is true, it's the worst possible outcome for Labour. It will mean even less affordable accommodation if we accept that renting is cheaper than buying a house. These properties will be bought for home ownership, not for renting.

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dick_turpin

It still takes that option off the table. I did a very brief search earlier because another thought crossed my mind. Apparently, the least viable lease you can sell on a property is 40 years in terms of what banks will lend mortgages against. So, I wonder if any Landlords will consider selling leases as an immediate cash injection to use on other projects while (hopefully, if they survive) having a retirement asset to sell off once the lease reverts back to them.

I await the "Equity Release For Landlords" scheme. ๐Ÿคฃ



I bet France is glad it doesn't have Proportional Representation?
bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c51y4zโ€ฆ


Visit the countryside while it's still there! "Mummy, what's a meadow?"
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in reply to Stephen Michael Kellat

At least you won't be bankrupt like we will in about three years.

Do you think you'll get Trump for a second term? Americans can't possibly elect that senile old fool Biden?

in reply to dick_turpin

I'm not sure it'll matter at this point. Both sides are starting to sound like they're the IRA and Sinn Fein gearing up for a long conflict akin to The Troubles. That would tear us apart in fairly short order if the Capitol Insurrection was any indication.

It is too early in the day to be so maudlin. I can't deny it is looking pretty bad. On the bright side there is still plenty of countryside for all to visit here in the Americas...



When Rishi Sunak sets out his stall as the opposition, it will be backed by a group of people he barely knows now that nearly all the well-known names are out of a job.
#politics #GE2024

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"๐—ค๐˜‚๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ฐ๐˜๐—ถ๐—น๐—ถ๐˜‚๐˜€ ๐—ฉ๐—ฎ๐—ฟ๐˜‚๐˜€, ๐˜„๐—ต๐—ฒ๐—ฟ๐—ฒ ๐—ฎ๐—ฟ๐—ฒ ๐—บ๐˜† ๐—˜๐—ฎ๐—ด๐—น๐—ฒ๐˜€!"

Poor Margaret must be spinning in her grave. ๐Ÿ˜ข
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#politics #GE2024

in reply to dick_turpin

Former seats of Cameron, Johnson and May plus current of Truss all flipped. Where is the Tory heartland now?


My former MP Eddie Hughes, who buggered off to what I presume he thought was a safe seat in Tamworth, is out of a job.
birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlโ€ฆ

Maybe if he had stayed with the Constituency, he might have won because he was well-liked in the town.
#politics #GE2024

in reply to dick_turpin

Did we ever see the report about Russian interference with the Tories?


And so, as everyone knew, the Conservatives are barely represented in UK society today, having suffered the worst defeat in British political history. While there will be lots of jubilation for those who voted Labour, I can't help feeling that the biggest factor in their victory was that the Tories handed it to them on a plate, not only with their behaviour but also the arrogance of their belief in the former majority they held and that it wasn't won through any groundbreaking manifesto promises. In my opinion, a large proportion voted Labour to "Get the Tories out". To coin a phrase: "How the mighty have fallen." But as has been pointed out, that's democracy for you, and it proves that "Votes" do count.

Obviously, as a lifelong Tory voter myself, I'm not convinced that Labour is the answer or can address the problems facing us today, but they now have five years and an unbeatable majority to prove myself and my fellow Conservative voters wrong. From my point of view, all I can hope for now is for the Party to overhaul itself and look for By-Election opportunities to start clawing seats back.

Well done, Labour, the people have spoken.
#politics #GE2024

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in reply to dick_turpin

so it turned out even Brexit couldn't heal there internal divisions.

It's just a shame they could not put the country first, rather than their internal problems.

It will be interesting to see when Sunak steps down.

in reply to Chris Ellis

I get the feeling he would love to be the party leader who brought them back from the abyss.


I wonder if, at some stage tomorrow, Rishi will start sending out Tweets telling supporters to 'show up' at Westminster to protest the stolen election? ๐Ÿ˜‰


Loving all these people posting photos of their ballot papers.
https://x.com/alexharmstrong/status/1808828289382752721

Interestingly, I've not seen any Labour or Conservative ones?
#politics #GE2024 #vote

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in reply to Steve

I've seen a good few. Liberal, ReformUK and a Green party.
in reply to dick_turpin

I don't think you can map that to results. Reform knobs like to boast :)


So caught up in today's UK elections forgot to wish our American cousins:
"HAPPY TREASON DAY."

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200+ Seats would be awesome. 100 seats would be catastrophic. Then again, I remember the last time everyone thought the Tories would lose, and they were returned with an even bigger majority.
#politics #GE2024 #vote #KeepTheFaith


It's so depressing seeing people posting with glee at the Conservative's potential demise when they themselves have never lived under a Labour government or are too young to remember the last one. You have no idea.
#politics #GE2024 #vote
in reply to dick_turpin

@wiredfire

I agree the Iraq war was a warcrime.

Regarding the tories:
We've also had Liz Truss losing 30bn quid in one week because she was criminally reckless and stupid, we had billions of public money stolen by the tories through the PPE and TrackandTrace scandals.
Brexit was driven by the tory right, and the the tory press lied on their behalf.
Thatcher privatised the water industry, which has led inevitably to our rivers and sea being full of shit.

in reply to Captain Jack Sparrow

I agree, Truss was not only a massive mistake but a huge disappointment given she was billed as the reincarnation of my hero Maggie.

With regard to PPE, Furlough, and, let's not forget, the Nightingale hospitals at ยฃ60M a pop, it depends on your perspective. While I was stunned at how the government literally handed over cash without any checks or balances, one could argue it was the right thing to do at the time, given everyone was shit scared of dying. Personally, I'd far rather they threw money away rather than clamp down on bureaucracy. What should have happened was for the Royal Commission to look into ALL payments made by the government at that time, with powers to recover funds where appropriate.

I agree with Margaret Thatcher. It is not the government's role to run businesses and provide employment. Where it all falls down is the likes of OFWAT, either not having enough power or not really doing their job properly and sanctioning the arse off, in this case, the water companies.



๐—™๐—ฟ๐—ผ๐—บ ๐—ฟ๐—ฎ๐—ถ๐—ป ๐˜๐—ผ ๐˜€๐˜‚๐—ป
It is the epitaph of the Conservatives, I suspect.
#politics GE2024 #vote

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ROTFLMAO

Apparently, the Liberals think this is a good video to promote their suitability to govern.
https://x.com/i/status/1808199262133535175
I thought the Monster Loony Raving Party was a spent force?
#politics #GE2024 #vote



๐—ง๐—ต๐—ฒ๐˜† ๐—ท๐˜‚๐˜€๐˜ ๐—ด๐—ฟ๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ฑ ๐˜†๐—ผ๐˜‚ ๐—ฑ๐—ผ๐˜„๐—ป.

Wanna know why I'm a moaning caaant? This is why.

A guy has a 2011 PC running W7, but Office won't activate on it. He sends us a second PC he's found and asks us to transfer everything over. The only trouble is that it's that old story: "If it's slung up the back of a cupboard, there's a reason." It's a 2009 PC!

I offer him an i5, 32GB 256 M.2 plus M365; he tries to tell me they have a bunch of M365 licenses and "Can't we use one of those?" after telling him to basically fook off, he then says, "Well, you can have it here in a bit can't you?" I have to explain that; basically, he's wasted the morning, and now our guys are starting lunches, and if he's lucky, he'll have it this afternoon.

Why do people take three weeks to decide and then think they can have it within the hour?

#RantOver

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So here's the dilemma: The Conservatives, whom I have voted for since the age of 18, will lose. I accept that. Normally, I would berate anyone for "Voting tactically," but I'm worried that the Tories will be absolutely slaughtered at the Polls tomorrow, and apparently, voting for someone who will lose is a wasted vote. We need a strong opposition, not some mishmash of Heinz 57 parties. With that in mind, I'm tempted to vote for Reform. ๐Ÿ˜Ÿ
#politics #GE2024 #vote
in reply to penguin42

To paraphrase Farage. I'm not interested in winning; that's a foregone conclusion. I'm more concerned about who will be the opposition and how strong that opposition will be. It's no good for the Tories to be in opposition if they only have 80 seats.


There are 650 Constituencies (Seats) in the UK. Your constituency can only send one MP to Parliament, so if your preferred candidate wins, they will take one seat in the house. Don't listen to this bullshit of "A vote for X is, in fact, a vote for Y." vote for who you believe in!
#politics #GE2024 #vote

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in reply to dick_turpin

if your preferred candidate doesn't win you get no representation of your views.

If there is someone with a realistic chance of winning who partially represents your views and you vote for them you may at least get some representation.

And of course if everybody does that the parties that are least worst get in.

Where it falls down even more is it the least worst option crosses some red lines. Then you either vote for something you don't agree with, vote for someone who you know won't get in or stay home.

I can't really blame people for staying home. If a party wants people to vote, then convince them. "Voter apathy" is really blaming the wrong people.

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in reply to Jfrench

I don't believe in proportional representation; I think that only increases the chance of someone "Getting in" who one didn't vote for. I think it's a problem that's getting worse in everyday life, tbh. There is far too much choice. You should see my arguments around my local fish & chip shop.

"Is that a special?"
"WTF is a special? I just want fish-n-chips."
๐Ÿคฃ




So if anyone fancies invading a British dependency, sometime after 18:05 would do nicely and if you could have your invasion completed by 09:00 the following day, that would be awfully helpful.
#politics #GE2024 #Vote


It's not all quail eggs and salmon for breakfast.
I wonder if he's humming:

โ™ซ โ™ช "I wanna live like common people
I wanna do whatever common people do
Wanna sleep with common people
I wanna sleep with common people like you."
Well,โ€‹ what else could I do?
I said "I'll... I'll see what I can do" โ™ฌ โ™ฉ



๐—ง๐—ผ๐—ฟ๐—ถ๐—ฒ๐˜€ ๐—ป๐—ฎ๐—ฟ๐—ฟ๐—ผ๐˜„ ๐—ด๐—ฎ๐—ฝ ๐˜๐—ผ ๐—Ÿ๐—ฎ๐—ฏ๐—ผ๐˜‚๐—ฟ ๐—ถ๐—ป ๐—ฝ๐—ผ๐—น๐—น
standard.co.uk/news/politics/gโ€ฆ
#politics #GE2024 #vote
in reply to dick_turpin

Is there a difference between a landslide and an avalanche?
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