This is Labour's classic incompetence. They cancel things like the Bibby Stockholm barge and the Rwanda plan without offering the general public an alternative solution.
Now, there will be those who will say, "That's got nothing to do with it!" But it has everything to do with it. Southport was simply the lancing of the boil that has been building for a good few years now. I'm also uneasy about simply labelling this unrest as "far right." There's massive unhappiness on all sides. The government needs to look at treating the symptoms and not the easiest route of swiftly cutting an arm or leg off, hoping that stops the patient from complaining.
penguin42
in reply to dick_turpin • • •dick_turpin
in reply to penguin42 • •Most civil unrest is started by incidents that bear little relation to the main thrust. The problem these days is that one has to be very careful of what words are used, mainly because people's emotions are on a hair trigger.
I do not disagree with some of what you said; however, I do think a larger portion of the UK than folk are willing to admit are at the end of the road with illegals, and they are illegal if they don't come through customs. People feel marginalised and frankly shat on. I get it when young folk have no job or a chance of getting a council house, let alone a mortgage, and they see videos on π of people in hotels getting three square meals and all the support they need.
I totally agree. This is mindless thuggery, and yes, there may well be elements of right-wing influence, but to believe that's all it is is naive or, at the very least, too simple an answer. I honestly believe the problems run deeper than just simple racism.
penguin42
in reply to dick_turpin • • •No one has a clue what to do with the illegal immigration though - and it's not just UK, most of the media don't point to the same conversations happening all around Europe.
Neil Darlow :gotosocial: :silverblue: :xmpp:
in reply to penguin42 • • •Mistakes have been made on illegal immigration. If you are seeking asylum you don't dump your ID in the channel and come into the UK undocumented.
And, as a new government, you don't just give an amnesty to 90,000 illegal migrants without checking it's safe to do so. I know there must be some hiding in the countryside who dodged Border Force and entered unchallenged.
There is so much going wrong in our country now. A neighbour witnessed Shoplifters from London arriving by train, at our station, emptying supermarket shelves unchallenged and hopping on a train back to London. When train station staff were informed of it they said "Yeah, they've got it down to a fine art" and the police are totally disinterested.
penguin42
in reply to Neil Darlow :gotosocial: :silverblue: :xmpp: • • •Neil Darlow :gotosocial: :silverblue: :xmpp:
in reply to penguin42 • • •dick_turpin
in reply to penguin42 • •That's what I've been moaning about for months. Our news, especially the BBC, is so biased and geared to only allowing left-wing stories that the British public is unaware European countries have walls of barbed wire and are shipping their illegals to Morroco and Algeria. I suspect an illegal would rather be shipped to Rwanda than Algeria! And yet, the woke brigade managed to successfully sabotage the program through disinformation and shaming.
Neil Darlow :gotosocial: :silverblue: :xmpp:
in reply to penguin42 • • •Wrong on a few fronts there too:
The EDL hasn't been a thing in over 10 years and Tommy Robinson has nothing to do with whatever might be left of it.
The police detained him for the allowed 6 hours permitted by the anti-terror legislation they arrested him under. He was released without charge unconditionally and he went on holiday with his family as he had arranged prior. He didn't leave by secret means and flew out of the country like anyone else.
There is no arrest warrant awaiting him for not attending a fictitious court hearing. This is all a fabrication of the lefty media.
penguin42
in reply to Neil Darlow :gotosocial: :silverblue: :xmpp: • • •Tommy Robinson leaves UK on eve of court case with arrest warrant issued
Dominic Casciani (BBC News)Neil Darlow :gotosocial: :silverblue: :xmpp:
in reply to penguin42 • • •dick_turpin
in reply to Neil Darlow :gotosocial: :silverblue: :xmpp: • •I heard it was a video he was not allowed to show, which he duly showed yet again (I presume on π?) Of course, the key question should be, is this video (which I have not seen) fictitious, or is it that the video would stir up trouble? If it's the latter, I wonder if that's "suppression of freedom of speech"? π€·ββοΈ
I have no time for Tommy Robinson, but it's a stretch to say he's behind these riots, which I've seen promoted on π throughout today.
penguin42
in reply to Neil Darlow :gotosocial: :silverblue: :xmpp: • • •dick_turpin
in reply to penguin42 • •Neil Darlow :gotosocial: :silverblue: :xmpp:
in reply to penguin42 • • •My biggest concern about this "court case" is the warrant being issued but the judge saying not to act on it until October so that Robinson my choose to attend voluntarily. Something's off there.
I don't believe that Tommy Robinson is behind these riots. He's spent a lot of time recently reporting inequalities in the law and urging those attending his rallies to behave lawfully and respectfully. It's also worth noting that all demographics of society have been present at those rallies.