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People really need to understand what's going on. Zelenskyy's offer of resignation is worthless! The whole reason for Russia's invasion of #Ukraine is to stop Ukraine from joining the EU! Zelenskyy, to Putin, is probably irrelevant. His reason for invading is to ensure a buffer zone between Russia and the European allies.

Putin is the aggressor and possibly a dictator, but Zelenskyy is a trouble maker imo.
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Zelenskyy says he would ‘quit for peace’ as he refuses US demand for Ukraine minerals

Ukrainian president says US military aid was a ‘grant’ rather than a debt but adds that he wants Trump to be ‘on our side’
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Andy Wootton
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So was Churchill but he was an inspiring wartime leader who gave his country hope when 'rationally' it should have surrendered. Zelensky is demonstrating that he's fighting for a noble cause; that political power isn't important to him, in stark contrast to The Donald.
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dick_turpin
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That's not a very good example. Churchill came to power eight months after the war was declared and was given the push the moment the war was won. He spent most of his time begging other countries, especially America, to join in. "Come on in, the wars lovely."

Churchill was lucky that Roosevelt agreed to defeat Germany first rather than the country that had attacked them.

There's no nobility in death, just death.

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Andy Wootton
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Churchill warned about Hitler for years but the Tories listened to those who said Mr. Hitler was 'a sound fellow' we could trust. He came to power when events proved he'd been right all along.

Winston made very dodgy decisions before WW2. He set the British Army on striking miners, the example Maggie followed with the police, right after giving them a big pay rise.

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dick_turpin
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You mean the NUM that took money from Gadaffi? Miners who terrorised their own community, some of whom were simply trying to survive. Bussing in 5000 men at Orgreave is not a strike; it's a declaration of war.

Anyway
You and I grew up in a world where we were indoctrinated with the view that the Communists, aka the Russians, were evil and wanted to destroy us all. We were told that while the UK and France could lob a couple of ICBMs at Smolensk, it was the Americans who truly kept us safe in our beds. I'd far rather have the US and Russia friends than at each other's throats.

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Andy Wootton
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You know when I said I hated bullies? There were no conditions on that. Scargill led a thug-army but when you are hungry and your only weapon is solidarity, I can understand the temptation to turn to violence. My parents were One Nation Conservatives, my maternal uncles were miners and NUM members. They were not Stalinists. They wanted the NHS, widows' pensions and changing rooms with showers.
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Andy Wootton
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The Russians did want worldwide Communism and America wanted Capitalist democracy. It's hard to understand how both arrived at authoritarian dictatorships while the environment goes to hell in a handbasket. Their leaders may be friends but they are both at Europe's throat now and the EU isn't sure we can be trusted either. I don't want to be on Putin and Trump's side.
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Andy Wootton
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I think Starmer needs to work towards Europe not having 'sides'. We could co-operate on what we agree on and ignore what we don't. That was what I wanted, for Europe, the British Isles, Great Britain and Scotland, instead of Indie-Yes/No or the Leave/Remain binary choices. That was childish. Those Eton lads aren't always as clever as they seem. You don't start a fight when you're outnumbered, even if you are Head Boy.
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dick_turpin
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I'm not convinced Europe will ever treat us as equals or treat us fairly, for that matter. I'm gobsmacked that people are willing to hand over their country to Brussels so that they can glide through customs for two weeks in Ibiza.

I asked many people at the time of the vote why they believed so firmly that the European Union was good for Britain. None of them gave me very good reasons; they all seemed to have pretty unimportant personal benefits, such as the ability to take Benji the dog with them or work abroad while retaining British citizenship. Until, of course, Brussels does away with that, and we all become EU citizens.

I did vote to remain, mainly because I hoped the referendum may have given the EU a wake-up call to the extent they changed their disrespectful attitude. I never imagined that we would actually leave. It'll be at least twenty years before they allow us back, and even if they did, I guarantee they would punish us because France, for example, is very vindictive.

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