Not in the way you keep going on about. I don't think your average voter cares that Brexit happened on their watch. I don't think they care too much about sleaze, we're all used to it. In my opinion, this has to do with the behaviour during lockdown, but more importantly, it's the fifteen-year curse all over again. The public seems to only be able to stomach fifteen years of one party before they vote in "The other lot".
Well the 'average voter' doesn't exist so there will be lots of views. If the government were actually doing a good job then they might get more support. They've had five PMs who had a chance over a few years, so maybe they are just hopeless. It's not like they can claim to have achieved a lot.
Yes, they do; you refuse to accept that. And your statistics are typical flawed data in an attempt to demonstrate some point.
David Cameron: He fucked off like the spoiled brat he is because he didn't get his own way.
Theresa May: While seeming to hold the reins, at least, was unable to make the horse go anywhere.
Boris Johnson: He was actually worse than I thought he would be. There were a lot of people willing to forgive his shortcomings, given his flamboyant personality and the lovable buffoon persona; however, while we knew he was a bit dim, we didn't realise he was an absolute dumb fuck.
Liz Truss: She was a great disappointment, but I'm not sure we can judge her fairly. I have a feeling others threw her under the bus. Even so, I'm not convinced she's PM material.
Rishi Sunak: He basically picked up the poisoned chalice when he became PM; I'd have given him a fifty-fifty chance of turning things around. The problem was that once boils, such as the COVID inquiry, were lanced, all the puss came out, and the slippery slope could not stop.
Unless we get a Tony Blair-type administration, there's going to be a lot of first-time voters in for a shock.
one could say it's an incredible run of bad luck, but I think it shows the Tory party you love is dead. They are just UKIP by another name. That's not what this country needs.
They fucked up over and over again luck had nothing to do with it. I suspect the party chiefs had the same attitude that Camron had, "Nothing to worry about." Total arrogance and complacency was their downfall.
so we agree they are not fit for purpose. They just feel entitled to rule. I've noticed that you can't find anything positive to say about them apart from not being Labour
Oh, I could say loads. They finally closed the Brexit deal.
They spent nearly a Billion during the pandemic. The problem is that Boris and his team cancelled all of that of their behaviour.
NI has come down.
There are loads, but I'd be wasting my breath because, on social media, the attitude is pretty much "Four legs are good, two legs bad." (Labour Good Tories Bad!) As I keep saying, that is no way to vote in any government.
I'm also modifying my opinion about a GE. I'm now wondering whether it will be November, as some are predicting. I'm wondering what, with ASLEF etc., the Tories might cut their losses and say, "Fuck it." 🤷♂️ #politics
It's debatable whether some of their achievements were beneficial, but I think think they lost some support through being nasty and incompetent. All this 'culture war' bollocks turns people off and going more extreme will keep them in the wilderness. It tends not to make the news, but the various parties do actually work together on a lot of things and we need less confrontation for its own sake. Sorting out the economy, NHS, railways, utilities and other issues will not be easy.
I would say the Brexit actually wrecked the Tories as they chucked out those who were not true believers. Of course Truss flipped on that in her lust for power. So they lost a lot of competent people are we ended up with idiots like Dories, Anderson and Gullis up there. Johnson may be thought of as a good campaigner, but he was a terrible PM as he doesn't like doing the actual work. At least Thatcher was diligent. Our politics is a mess (as it is elsewhere) and needs to improve.
The PM has danced to their tune and the dreadful election results were the inevitable outcome. The solution can’t be more of the same, says the former Conservative MP Justine Greening
Meh, it's OK. Labour will do what it always does: throw millions of taxpayers' money at the problem rather than alienating people and actually fixing the issues.
Steve
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in reply to Steve • •Yes, they do; you refuse to accept that. And your statistics are typical flawed data in an attempt to demonstrate some point.
David Cameron: He fucked off like the spoiled brat he is because he didn't get his own way.
Theresa May: While seeming to hold the reins, at least, was unable to make the horse go anywhere.
Boris Johnson: He was actually worse than I thought he would be. There were a lot of people willing to forgive his shortcomings, given his flamboyant personality and the lovable buffoon persona; however, while we knew he was a bit dim, we didn't realise he was an absolute dumb fuck.
Liz Truss: She was a great disappointment, but I'm not sure we can judge her fairly. I have a feeling others threw her under the bus. Even so, I'm not convinced she's PM material.
Rishi Sunak: He basically picked up the poisoned chalice when he became PM; I'd have given him a fifty-fifty chance of turning things around. The problem was that once boils, such as the COVID inquiry, were lanced, all the puss came out, and the slippery slope could not stop.
Unless we get a Tony Blair-type administration, there's going to be a lot of first-time voters in for a shock.
I await your regular disagreement. 🤣
Steve
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I'll agree with you while disagreeing.
They fucked up over and over again luck had nothing to do with it. I suspect the party chiefs had the same attitude that Camron had, "Nothing to worry about." Total arrogance and complacency was their downfall.
Steve
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in reply to Steve • •Oh, I could say loads.
They finally closed the Brexit deal.
They spent nearly a Billion during the pandemic. The problem is that Boris and his team cancelled all of that of their behaviour.
NI has come down.
There are loads, but I'd be wasting my breath because, on social media, the attitude is pretty much "Four legs are good, two legs bad." (Labour Good Tories Bad!) As I keep saying, that is no way to vote in any government.
I'm also modifying my opinion about a GE. I'm now wondering whether it will be November, as some are predicting. I'm wondering what, with ASLEF etc., the Tories might cut their losses and say, "Fuck it." 🤷♂️
#politics
Steve
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in reply to Steve • • •Our politics is a mess (as it is elsewhere) and needs to improve.
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in reply to dick_turpin • • •It seems some Tories share my opinions :)
theguardian.com/commentisfree/…
Tories must face hard truths: Reform-lite wreckers like Braverman are why the public just don’t like us
Justine Greening (The Guardian)dick_turpin
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