My butcher agrees with me. As a fellow Tory voter, he agrees that the Conservatives are going to lose—and lose big-time. He also agrees that it looks like Farage wants to make sure the Conservatives are so far down the food chain that they no longer pose a threat.
I put my theory to him regarding 2030 and that Farage's current plan is geared towards that, to which he responded: "I hadn't thought of that, you know, you might be right. Everyone is so focused on this election, and he's already said his party, currently, does not have the experience to run the country."
But they might have by 2030!
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Steve
in reply to dick_turpin • • •dick_turpin
in reply to Steve • •You don't know what I want, mainly because you cannot see past your own beliefs IMO.
I'm not sure why you seem to think I believe in or support anyone or anything I talk about. It's a very strange perspective.
I am one of the Conservatives Farage wants to destroy. He doesn't want me in his party, but fellow Conservatives and I will do for the time being to swell his numbers; he can deal with us later when he has consolidated power. He does NOT want to take over the Tory Party or rank-and-file Conservatives, for that matter. He believes ALL MPs and Parties across the political spectrum need to be swept away (Read Adolf), and only his Party knows what is right for Britain. This is why he is dangerous and why we must listen to him to determine where and how to combat him. Surprise is the enemy of defence.
The difference is that I take him seriously. I don't see him as a joke or someone I want to throw paint over; I see him as far too dangerous for that. Of course, he's playing to the crowd and pandering to some of society's more biased members. He wants to get elected, FFS.
Steve
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in reply to dick_turpin • •I'm not sure where you got that idea from? Given that you've never said who you support up until about a fortnight ago, it has been pretty difficult to pin down exactly where your political views lie. As to knowing what Farage thinks, there really is no need. He tells you what he is thinking!
I would say some of the views and comments people are making are dangerous. The hatred being promoted for the Conservatives will let Farage and his followers in because the Tories will receive so few votes they could even finish behind the Liberals.
I can't see marginal parties such as the Greens gaining massive support. They may well gain a few extra thousand votes, but nothing earth-shattering. At the time of dissolution, the Conservatives held 344 seats. I'm fully prepared for them to lose around 200 seats, which is beyond disastrous. It will be catastrophic, possibly even terminal. This is why I think ReformUK will be the opposition, as Farage predicts.
Steve
in reply to dick_turpin • • •I believe in social justice that looks after those who need it. The environment needs to be cared for and that the rich should make a decent contribution. How I vote is limited by my options and has mostly been irrelevant due to living in a safe Tory area. That may change.
Tories have been especially crap lately and have to go. Farage will exploit this. I'm not sure how voting for his lot improves anything, but people may view that as fighting 'the system'.
dick_turpin
in reply to Steve • •People are a fickle bunch. They want to vote and are used to voting for either of the two main parties. The point is, even when there is no choice on the whole, they wouldn't vote for the Greens or the Liberals. They don't really want to be labelled as racist, but they do believe in a lot of what Farage says. If every man and his dog is running around saying what a bunch of criminal crooks the Tories are, the average voter will feel they have little choice as it's almost impossible to believe any former Tory voter would vote Labour.
If Farage wins [comes second], it will be Tory hater's fault, IMO, unless, of course, the majority of the UK is closet right-wing. 🤔
Steve
in reply to dick_turpin • • •Party membership is very low these days. Voter turnout will probably be low too. Apathy rules, but so does self-interest.
I bet a lot of 'red wall' voters will switch as they will feel let down. Labour are a centre party and not so left wing now. I have to hope they will be a little more radical once in power.
Voting for extremists fixes nothing. RUK are unlikely to get many seats, but Farage will claim victory of he gets any.
I still say the Tories destroyed themselves.
dick_turpin
in reply to Steve • •As one paper says today: Cameron destroyed us.
You can literally plot the downward spiral from the point at which he foolishly [arrogantly] held the referendum.
Steve
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