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Higher taxes is the price you pay for a Labour government. However, a large number of Labour voters don't pay tax, so why should they care?

As of 2020-2021 31 Million paid tax
17.3 million were under 25 years old
12.0 million were aged 25 to 39 years.
15.6 million were aged 40 to 59 years.
14.5 million were aged 60 years and over
Total adult population 59.4 Millon. #politics

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in reply to dick_turpin

those funding the Tories tend not to pay much tax either, despite their wealth. They want to pay even less. Just tax 'wokeness' ;)
in reply to dick_turpin

Everyone wants to pay less tax. It's the classic socialist mantra to squeeze those that have a few bob. IMV fairness is everyone contributing rather than folk moaning about some rich dude legally avoiding tax. At the end of the day, if there's a loophole, bitch about the loophole and get it closed.

Most people could probably pay less tax if they weren't so lazy. There are literally hundreds of dispensations on HMRC that folk can claim for under PAYE. Wear a uniform? Get a tax refund for washing it is just one example. Work in enough of them, and we could all probably save two or three hundred a year, but no, that's too much grief and not a big enough return, so let's just take someone else's money; after all, they've got enough of it. #Sheesh

in reply to dick_turpin

The problem is that there are more people wanting social programs than there are paying for them.
in reply to dick_turpin

there's a big problem with people not claiming the benefits they're entitled to.

We can't keep letting the Tories and their rich mates off the hook. They are out to increase their share of the pie.

Meanwhile the number of food banks has rocketed under Tory rule...

in reply to Steve

Who are these Tories and rich folk being "Let off the hook"? The ones we see have been caught I wouldn't exactly define that as "Let off the hook", so who are these escapees? As I said, if there is a loophole and someone exploits it like Jimmy Carr was supposed to have done, then it's up to people to close that loophole, not gnash their teeth and tear their clothes because somebody is doing something that is not illegal.

Food banks are like new roads; the moment they open, they soon fill up.

in reply to dick_turpin

The Tories who are wrecking the country and their rich paymasters. Blaming the poor for their ills seems mean. I'm sure most would prefer a better life, but they need support. The PM seems more concerned with his 'culture wars'.

What can the Tories actually offer us other than trying to buy votes with tax cuts? Resist the urge to deflect this with attacks on Labour.

in reply to Steve

Which Tories? Show me one Tory that is actively "Wrecking the economy", as you put it. The government has just introduced a whole slew of services that can now be accessed through your local pharmacy; I mean, everyone moans they can't get a doctor's appointment, so that's a good thing, right? Today, incentives were announced to increase dental care along with mobile dental units. there are numerous improvements made, but sadly, there are people out there who only know how to moan and point fingers and yet have no answers themselves other than "Get the rich to hand over their money!"
in reply to dick_turpin

so why can't we get an appointment with a doctor? As for wreckers you seem to have forgotten the Truss episode who the party thought was a great choice. Sunak is generally useless, but banning ciggies is a good move. You must love this bunch. The decent ones got chucked out
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in reply to dick_turpin

I'm mystified why you are obsessed with Liz Truss. She wasn't in office long enough to do anything, and Kwasi Kwarteng introduced the catastrophic budget that brought her down. True, she endorsed it, so I suppose one could argue that as PM, she was ultimately responsible; however, there have been many disastrous budgets over the years, and prime ministers have managed to survive.

I don't think she would have survived anyway without some extraordinary support. I suspect she was given the job because the party old guard didn't want Rishi, so it was better to have an incompetent. Obviously, they tried to make her look more viable by telling everyone she was Thatcherite, but I get the feeling her Thatcherism extends to reading one of Maggie's books.

There's no way Boris is coming back; he's done far too much image damage for the Conservative Party. My money is on David Cameron, and yet I don't want him either after his spineless performance after the referendum. Sadly, there's little choice in terms of credible leaders for the Conservatives.

I'm still convinced he will take over the reins. His appointment was stunningly bizarre. A return to the flat above number 10 is the only credible explanation for him, IMO.

in reply to dick_turpin

I didn't see this as you replied to the wrong one :)

As I have said, they are a shambles and not fit to run the country. I know you feel some loyalty to the party, but they are a lost cause. Maybe Labour can actually be better. We may see...

I don't mind paying more tax if we get a functioning country. Various rich people have offered to pay more.